BULLETIN: SECOND+PCH’S PROJECT’S (SECOND) ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT TO BE RELEASED THURSDAY
By Dave Wielenga
The long-awaited environmental impact report (EIR) for the Second+PCH development—the second such document for this long-proposed hotel/retail/residential project—will be released Thursday, GreaterLongBeach.com has learned from lead developer David Malmuth.
“My enthusiasm has been renewed,” Malmuth says. “I can finally see that we’ll formally start the comment period and hopefully be successful [in getting approval] through Planning Commission and City Council.”
He paused.
“This has been tough.”
As Malmuth indicates, the release of the EIR is followed by a 45-day public comment period—which by our calculation, would end April 24—and then reviews and votes by the Long Beach Planning Commission and Long Beach City Council. But permission to begin turning soil ultimately depends on approval by the California Coastal Commission.
Nearly a year has passed since the April 2010 release of the Second+PCH project’s first EIR. Rather than moving the process along, that document paralyzed it, drawing quick and widespread condemnation for a litany of inadequacies.
For example, Heather Altman, an environmental specialist and east Long Beach resident, responded to the report with 29 excoriating pages—and said she could have written more. “Finding flaws with this document was like shooting fish in a barrel,” Altman wrote on her blog, EgretsNotRegrets.com.
Malmuth acknowledges that the first EIR was substandard, and with a tone of hopeful confidence, ventures that this one will be … well … much better.
“We have reviewed draft sections and we provided comments and suggestions,” he said. “That said, the document is owned 100 percent by the city—it’s staffers have the responsibility for producing the document—so anytime we make a comment it’s subject to them saying we agree with that or we don’t agree with that. Much of our input was suggestions on where to find information; we’ve been doing these reports for years, and sometimes a staffer may not know.
“But our interests are totally in line with the city’s. We want to make sure that every single issue is addressed fully and completely. Not only did we pay for the document—and in this case, paid for it twice—but we also bear the ultimate cost if it’s not deemed to be fully complete in terms of addressing environmental impacts.”
Many of the Second+PCH’s impacts are literally of its own design—that is, on blueprints which contradict a plethora of zoning standards (Southeast Area Development and Improvement Plan, or SEADIP) that have governed construction in the area for more than three decades. For example, the 12-story hotel that Second+PCH developers have included breaks the long-established zoning law by 10 stories.
But Malmuth says that he will not have to ask for variances to SEADIP. “We are amending SEADIP,” he asserts.
No matter how complete and competent the EIR, however, Malmuth anticipates some opposition to the plans for Second+PCH.
“The goal is not to get everybody to agree—that’s unrealistic,” he says. “But it’s important that you listen to everybody, respect everybody’s opinion, and there’s almost always something I can do to make the project stronger, even if I can’t do exactly what the person is requesting.
“For example, somebody says, ‘I love that [Seaport Marina] hotel. I think that hotel should stay.’ We just have to agree to disagree.
“Or they think the property should be treated as open space; I’ve had people say that as well. I don’t think that’s the right answer for the largest number of people; it’s certainly not the right answer for the owner of the property, who has been in there for a long time, has invested a lot of money and wants to see a return on it.
“We’re going to have disagreements. We have had them and we will continue to have disagreements. But if people come from a place of respecting the work that we put forward, and that we genuinely want to do something great, then we can always have a dialogue.”
















21 Comments
What does Malmuth care how this monolith will violate zoning codes and destroy transportation on my side of town? Malmuth lives in San Diego where he seldom, if ever, creates monstrosities that impact his quality of life.
I really hope this project get passed as *originally* designed….the current SEADIP zoning reflects that attitudes of a car dependent culture of nearly half a century ago. Long Beach is moving toward more urban living (which I think is much better for the people and the environment). The added traffic reflects the anticipated added value to this area….I associate traffic with vibrancy and life in a neighborhood-it’s not always a bad thing. This development will bring so much more to the area than what is currently their (or possible with current zoning), that the trade-off of some extra traffic is worth it.
If your so concerned about the possibility of a couple extra minutes spent in your car getting through one of the largest intersections in one of California’s largest cities because of a new development that will bring world-class architecture, retail, public space, and amenities to the currently under-served area, than perhaps you should consider a move to a smaller town. Or get on a bike. Long Beach doesn’t have time from your out-dated and narrow-minded views on what happens to one of the most important parcels in town…
I really hope this project gets passed as *originally* designed….the current SEADIP zoning reflects the attitudes of a car dependent culture of nearly half a century ago. Long Beach is moving toward more urban living (which I think is much better for the people and the environment). The added traffic reflects the anticipated added value to this area….I associate traffic with vibrancy and life in a neighborhood-it’s not always a bad thing. This development will bring so much more to the area than what is currently there (or possible with current zoning); the trade-off of some extra traffic is worth it.
If your so concerned about the possibility of a couple extra minutes spent in your car getting through one of the largest intersections in one of California’s largest cities because of a new development that will bring world-class architecture, retail, public space, and amenities to the currently under-served area, than perhaps you should consider a move to a smaller town. Or get on a bike. Long Beach doesn’t have time from your out-dated and narrow-minded views on the development of one of the most important parcels in town…
Wow–the comment so nice he posted it twice. Usually, most of us only click “submit” once.
Mr. Sorkhabi, I realize you’re only about a year or two out of Cal State Long Beach (according to your LinkedIn profile), but some of us who have lived in Long Beach a bit longer than you–and who are invested in this city so much that we actually OWN property here–happen to think that discussion should be part of the development process.
If you don’t like that, I’m sure you can go somewhere else.
David, you are so cavalier about what you want and how you are going to get it. Why don’t you. as Mike Rhuele states, go back to San Diego and work your “magic” where people can tell you everyday how they feel about your projects. Instead you choose to build melancholic monoliths and then tell us that live here, not to worry–we will change the character of your neighborhood b/c I will change the current zoning that has served us very well.
In addition, tell the Lins–Taki Sun that if they put a lot of money into that property, they withheld a lot more money to deliberately let the property become a slum(no kidding they are slum lords)–and if you either read the reviews or visit the site, you would say they should be ashamed. Don’t tell me they deserve a “payback” for what they did to this “iconic” hotel, they deserve to get what they gave us—ignominy.
Seems to me David Malmuth is getting a bit nervous and antsy about this project—of course he’s been working on it for 6 years-first with Lennar, (who bailed) and now with Second +PCH, (2 key members of this team bailed.).
A frantic grab for support is now on line: A video of Malmuth speaking- with the written message “Students at CSULB have the chance to help us make Second and PCH happen and all they have to do is join the web site and comment on the project. AND as a thank you for your interest we’ll be giving away 5 brand-spanking new-iPAD 2’s. Summit your letter of support now. Fill out this form, (a form letter to Mayor Bob is up) and we will send a letter for you.” Marketing or exploitation?
Did Dave Wielenga find out how Malmuth intends to “amend” SEADIP, and with whose help—one can only guess!
I can understand how frustrated Mr. Malmuth must be with our protective SEADIP zoning. That parcel is zoned for a height not to exceed 35 foot height and residential is not allowed. He doesn’t mention the city-wide SEADIP survey which showed the citizens wanted no more height or density there. In fact, the #1 choice by respondents was a destination hotel…retail came in way down the list.
The revised EIR will be interesting, and Malmuth cannot blame the city if it isn’t to his liking. As explained, the EIR is written with the information the developers give them. Last time, it just wasn’t good enough.
yes – finally a plan to blight the east side of long beach!
why should downtown and the west side have all the uninspiring ugly half-built eyesores?
Theo,
What holds Long Beach back sometimes are people, like you, who have been here so long they have a jaded view on the city and loathe every new proposal to make the city better. I realize that many developments in this city have not come out as promised (The Pike shopping center), or were failures to begin with (The CityPlace shopping center downtown). But I really believe that the potential for parcel at second+pch is far too important to be allowed to develop under the outdated SEADIP zoning. Why can we not revisit zoning that was created so long ago? Times have changed, and for Long Beach to remain remotely competitive it needs to stop acting like it’s Orange County. We are a large metropolis, and with that should come large, dense developments that encourage biking/busing/walking/living in smaller and closer quarters.
On a complete side note, I find it amusing that you assume so much about me-I actually am a proud home OWNER as well in this fine city of Long Beach. Just because I haven’t been here as long as you does not mean that I am not as ‘invested’ into the city as you are. You also shouldn’t dismiss someone’s view because they might not own property-it’s quite pretentious of you.
Somehow I have a feeling that Baktaash Sorkhabi, who appears to be one year out of Long Beach State and who works in Marketing and Advertising for NHAK on Ocean Blvd, really doesn’t understand or care what is going on in Long Beach. I suspect he is more interested in supporting businesses at ANY cost so he can win over their advertising dollars to keep his job.
By the way, NHAK lists the City of Long Beach as their client. Go figure.
“Why can we not revisit zoning that was created so long ago?”
That’s a great question, Mr. Sorkhabi! That’s exactly what Long Beach should do first. As a neighborhood, just like the original SEADIP process that involved folks from all over South East Long Beach. You may have not lived in Long Beach at that time – I didn’t – but there’s plenty of information available about how SEADIP worked and why you now see only 2 story buildings and lots of open space in that part of town. It was designed in contrast to Long Beach’s high-rise and dense downtown. No developer should have the right to override the wishes of a group of residents and business owners who made decisions for their own neighborhood – even 30 years ago – without giving those folks the option to revise it themselves first. Anything else is an insult to the community. Worse, it’s a signal that developers can get what they want in spite of the city’s long-range planning goals.
Why does the number of years from when I graduated have anything to with a discussion about the second+pch project? Mike and Theo, you are both reading into unnecessary details of my personal life in your defense. How about instead you try to refute my statements on how a denser development at 2nd St and PCH is better for the environment in regards to increased busing/biking/and walking from both future residents and visitors alike; and better for the city in terms of creating an iconic gateway into the city from OC, as well as creating a stronger urban fabric for the city.
Like it or not, we cannot continue to build with the naive mindset of the mid century, when the automobile was a beacon of hope and prosperity. As gas prices continue to rise, and my generation demands more urban living, we should focus more on creating mixed-use, dense projects like second+pch.
And again on a side note, I do not use linkedin, and that profile is outdated. I work as a designer and visual communicator. While you might want to demonize me as a soulless ad guy that just wants to create more space for adverts, your wrong. I am for quite the opposite. Please stop with your asinine assumptions about me. It really doesn’t make any of you look good.
Gordana,
You make a valid point that there should be community discussion on this development and the rezoning of this area. I did attend community meetings, as well as writing my opinions to Council member Delong. While not official, I do think there were many opportunities for community members to voice their opinions.
The community, 30 years ago, decided to make those zoning laws at a time when *everything* was geared toward creating massive efficiencies for cars and a low-density, suburban environment that disregarded pedestrian and street life. I seriously think these views do not reflect the current mindset of many people. Young people like me (current students and recent alumni from Cal State Long Beach) are more frequently choosing to live in and embrace the city, instead of all the commuter students from decades past who never really lived or took ‘ownership’ of Long Beach.
While we are young, and relatively new to this city, I think the city needs to tap more into the thousands of educated, upwardly-mobile young adults who graduate from CSULB every year. Like our city’s older folks who shaped zoning in the past, us twentysomethings are the ones that will be shaping the next 30 years of the city. And I couldn’t be any more ecstatic about that
Baktaah, I haven’t followed closely, but I am not aware of any increased public transportation linked to this project – no trolley’s or increased bus service. And, I don’t know how many are planning to ride their bike over the Naples bridge or on PCH from Seal Beach or Los Altos to go shopping – they would only be able to buy something small or tow a toy wagon behind for something bigger. The accepted analysis is MORE cars and increased congestion. And, isn’t retail and services already overbuilt everywhere, and this would pull business from other local stores? Just look across the street at the Marketplace.
Surprisingly, the proposed development is very accessible from numerous bike paths. The bike path along the San Gabriel River safely brings you around all traffic through a nice scenic route. As an eastsider, I actually ride my bike to the area often, especially on Sundays to enjoy the farmers’ market in Alamitos Bay. I don’t feel good about this proposed development, but you may want to check the bike route facts before you lodge that criticism.
LBCityGirl, I have riden that path many times. Baktaah is trying to imply that building a more dense development here will be good for the environment, increase biking and somehow lessen the auto culture of olden days. Well, go to LA and see what increased urban density does for all these things – not alot of bike riders there, and gridlock. Also, you haven’t noticed how many empty storefronts we already have in the city? So, build it bigger and shinier and they will come, maybe from out of area? Or, take business from the local area? Another thing, you didn’t notice that the consumer debt bubble blew in 07′ to 08′, but people haven’t changed their thinking so much with it? So, more of the same, but bigger. Baktaah is trying to imply he is advocating a new way of doing business – a new dawn, and I say his is the old way.
David Malmuth’s assertion that “they” are going to amend SEADIP, then stating that “the owners have invested a lot of money in the project and expect a return” is arrogant and implys entitlement.
In contrast, Gordana presents a solid case for keeping SEADIP intact, without amendments. Her commenting that “it’s a signal that developers can get what they want in spite of the city’s long-range planning goals” is alarming and true.
It all prompts concerns about the Developers ethics.. or lack of them.
You’ll find me in agreeance with you, Rino2.
Personally, I rarely shop stores, I buy online for numerous reasons or frequent the Farmer’s Market and Craft Shows when I want something special. I do not think a bunch of chain restaurants will help our local economy much. Instead, they will just draw business from the existing businesses in the area that are already struggling I mean, for heaven’s sake–Borders just went out of business!
I do not really see how Cal State students would especially benefit either. Most of them are commuters and leave right after class. If you want proof hang out on Palo Verde about a quarter after any hour during the weekdays. They exit CSULB and head straight to the 405 every day.
I’d also like to see something that incorporates the aspects of the Seaport Marina that are worth keeping. And nobody should be building anything that exceeds SEADIP zoning. Those rules were made for a reason–for times like these!
Sorry Baktaash Sorkhabi. I just call it the way I see it. What I observe is a significant number of supporters for this monolithic violation who do not have a vested interest in improving Long Beach. Rather, they benefit from it economically but seldom care nor have to put up with its unintended consequences such as traffic and the precedent it sets.
But feel free to take your well meaning but naive arguments to Seal Beach, Huntington Beach, Manhattan Beach, Hermosa Beach, Redondo Beach, etc., etc., and see how far you get. None of these cities would consider a monstrosity so close to the water such as what is being proposed. Moreover, Long Beach already has a downtown high rise area. Build it there.
I doubt that there is such demand for high density living (and the ‘urban’ things that go along with it). If there were, 3+ projects would not be stalled downtown, Aqua would have a fighting chance, and West Ocean would have a line to purchase units.
I say let the market dictate the results, so long as the means are in-line with zoning. If anyone likes to wager, I’ll place some action on this project losing serious money. Please, LBC, don’t subsidize, don’t settle, and listen to the residents. Sooner or later, you’ll alienate your ENTIRE tax base.
What’s the best reason for S.C.L.A. to be developed by a competent organization other than who is managing their development now? SINK HOLES! Yep, all the imports coming into Long Beach Harbor would come to an immediate halt if the Western U.S. ever saw a coastal tragedy like Japan just experienced. Why? Cause Shell Oil….
Yep, Shell Oil has been pumping oil outta Signal Hill for so long, they had to replace it with water to keep the area from sinking. So, what happens if a big earth quake hits that area? SINK HOLE DELUXE!
Know your HiStory… http://www.polb(DOT)com/about/history/1960.asp
Of course, I grew up playing on the mothers beach area down there – back then the canals were filled with oil in the sand… which is probably why I am so sensitive to crude oil in my food, (artificial food colors, yellow #5 especially) but I digress..read the history for yourself as it relates to the SINK HOLE potential geographically speaking. Hypothetically, ~of course~ wikipedia(DOT)org/wiki/Port_of_Long_Beach#Recent_history_.281970s-present.
1960 – Operation “Big Squirt,” a water injection program, halts subsidence.Now, what exactly IS subsidence you may wonder and why am I concerned? Simple. It is SINKING of the Earth – as in SINK HOLE!
We all know that oil and water do NOT mix, so why on earth would people back in the 60′s think that injecting water into the soil under an oil field, would make the earth stop sinking? Cause OIL FLOATS! So, they just floated the oil, to make it easier to extract…. but, earth quakes have a way of LIQUEFYING the earth around an area and that is kinda like what happens when you mix oil and water. Yep.
Now, here is the thing. PCH and 2nd Ave are under MUCH controversy as they want to develop a huge high rise resort complex. That’s right. Let’s build a big huge HEAVY resort on top of an area that is sinking and being floated on top of an oil slick we have been extracting for DECADES to fuel our greed for speed.
No where in any of the controversy that I have read does anyone mention that at that intersection, there is an OIL WELL pumping right behind the In & Out Burger on the corner. Seriously. Burger, Fries, Shake and a fill up (almost) right there.
Now, I don’t know about most environmentalists – but this issue is NOT about Egrets in my personal opinion… egretsnotregrets(DOT)com
On the other hand – I think SCLA is poised to get a bunch of biz if this sink hole ever really expands. Cause, after all, it is ALREADY proven that the area is sinking – now it is just a matter to what speed it actually continues barring any oil and water mixing incidents speeding up the process http://www.logisticsairport(DOT)com/
So, no – I am not actually an anti development environmental activist. I am PRO development, just think we need to look at ALL the factors before doing something that could effect the entire Southern California and Western United States economy / supply chain!
Would one of the advocates of this project explain how increasing population density at Second and PCH would decrease population density throughout the rest of Long Beach? Because, that is the only way to reduce the overall environmental impact of the Long Beach population on Long Beach.
This project would mean increasing the environmental impact at Second and PCH, while the impact of the remaining population would remain the same.
Is it really any mystery why people would rather live in East Long Beach than live in a high rise downtown??? Yet, invariably when people maintain a nice community with high property values, developers start drooling at the prospect of extracting high rents from said community by building something like the proposed project.
Sorry, I live in East Long Beach, and if the developers cannot convince me that this project will improve my quality of life (I am convinced it will not), then it does not belong here.