ALL AROUND THE TOP O’ THE TOWN ON A FAREWELL TOUR WITH VAL LERCH
By Rachel Powers
It’s 8 a.m. in North Long Beach, and already the temperature is approaching 80 degrees. The afternoon heat promises to be brutal. But now there is still dew on the grass at Houghton Park and the air is lush—and Val Lerch has parked his car on Artesia Blvd. so that we can both admire a huge oil storage tank.
On the first morning after his last meeting as North Long Beach’s representative on the Long Beach City Council, Lerch is taking me on a trip down his many memory lanes.
“Now that is a good corporate neighbor,” Lerch says, gazing at the oil storage tank.
“WELCOME TO LONG BEACH,” proclaim thick block letters painted around the upper edge of the big round drum. “TOP OF THE TOWN!”
“I got them to do that,” Lerch says with satisfaction. “Because this company is Paramount Petroleum, and four blocks over is the City of Paramount, I just knew people would be driving here and think that they were in Paramount.”
Lerch is repulsed by the thought of such a geographic mistake. He loves North Long Beach. He was the council member here at the so-called “Top of the Town”—that is, the 9th District—for eight years, and he wanted more. But when Lerch ran a write-in campaign for a third term last spring, voters overwhelmingly said no. Now Lerch is moving on … no wait, not yet.
“And over there— ” he taps his window, “—we’ve got a very good cement factory!”
Now Lerch steps on the gas and we are on our way to see Long Beach’s first Fatburger—still under construction—its arrival the culmination of a courtship that Lerch says began seven years ago at the International Shopping Center Conference in Las Vegas.
Lerch is rightfully prideful as he reviews these accomplishments on his way out of office. Yet a piece of oil-tank public relations, a cement factory and another hamburger stand don’t exactly transform the impression of North Long Beach that most people had when he was sworn in back in 2002.
Now, as then, the spine of the 9th District is Artesia Blvd., the bleakest of business corridors, where heavy equipment rental outfits, fast food chains, discount stores and dive bars languish in small clusters, surrounded by empty storefronts and vacant lots. There are buildings that have gone unoccupied for a quarter of a century.
But on the morning after his last meeting on the city council, Lerch has offered me a tour of North Long Beach that he has promised will change those perceptions—or at least provide some mitigation. To make that point, all Lerch has to do is turn off Artesia onto any one of the streets branching to the north or south. So he does.
“Now you look at this neighborhood—I’m going to drive you around this neighborhood,” Lerch fairly commands and threatens. “Now you look and you tell me this isn’t as good a neighborhood—pride of ownership, all of that—as anything you’ll see in Belmont Heights, in East Long Beach. Well-intact neighborhoods!” He hits the steering wheel for emphasis. “Great little neighborhoods!
Great homes!”
This is where Lerch begins to get worked up.
“Ask the Los Angeles realtors: for the past 15 years in a row they’ve said that in North Long Beach you get more house per dollar than any other place.”
This is the theme Lerch has tried to hammer home for years—during those two terms on the council, yes, but long before that, too, at least since … well, if you had to pick an exact date, maybe the best one would be Dec. 18, 1976. That’s the day Val and Janet Lerch bought their first home in North Long Beach.
Years later, during the wedding of their oldest son, Anthony, Lerch had a revelation of what years of living at the Top of the Town had done for his family.
“We were sitting over there at St. Cornelius, and I turned to my wife and said, ‘We did it,” Lerch recounts. She said, ‘What?’ And I said ‘Look up at the altar.’ Up there was an African-American, a Filipino, a Latino and a friend who’s gay—all next to my son. That’s how we raised our children. And that’s North Long Beach.”
THE 9TH DISTRICT BEGINS at South St., continues north to 70th St., and is bordered on the east by Downey Ave. and on the west by Long Beach Blvd. The district is not noted for its glamour—according to Lerch, 78 percent of Long Beach’s non-port industrial property is located here. But there is pride.
The way Lerch tells it, the 9th District’s motto—its brand—was born in the middle of a fit of aggravation over the pretensions of the more well-heeled areas of Long Beach: news reached the North Long Beach Community Action Group that Bixby Knolls was billing itself as “The Heart of Long Beach,” and an exasperated member sputtered, “Well if that’s true then we’re … we’re … ‘The Top of the Town!’”
WE MEANDER DOWN countless residential streets—Olive, Falcon, Gundry, Indiana—and Lerch’s point about the neighborhoods of the 9th District steadily sinks in: they are surprisingly lovely. There are great stretches lined and shaded by Chinese elms, large pockets blessed with the sort of respectful refurbishment that can be found the pricier parts of Cal Heights. Throughout, there is greater architectural unity than anything one sees in east Long Beach or Lakewood. And everything is kept up, so that the only clue to the relative property values is the style of landscaping: native plant gardens and bougainvillea draping Spanish tile roofs in the gentrified neighborhoods, and bird baths and pinwheels nestled among the juniper bushes on the more working-class streets.
Soon we are traveling down Obispo, grimy warehouses and crumbling parking lots on either side of the street, and Lerch is shaking his head.
“We have literally ignored our business corridors, and when people come to North Long Beach this is all they see,” he laments. “But what they don’t know—” Lerch interrupts himself, turns to me and says, “Get ready. This is going to blow your mind.”
He slows, signals, and turns right on a street called St. Francis Place.
“This blows everybody’s mind. This is the St. Francis neighborhood.”
Mind blown: beautifully maintained mid-century moderns on either side, tree canopy, enormous lots, the sudden appearance of Priuses, Audis and Volvo station wagons.
“It’s charming—look at all these cul-de-sacs,” I can’t help but say out loud, meanwhile mentally tabulating how much equity my husband and I have in our home.
Confident he has made an impression, pleased that he is finally understood, Lerch leans toward me and speaks in a solemn voice: “The diversity of North Long Beach. Million-dollar homes. Three-hundred-thousand-dollar homes. Everything in between. And we’ve got pockets of these all over the place. Beautiful homes. And you know what? I’ll take them over El Dorado Park. Any day of the week.”
WE DRIVE THE CURVING STREET in silence, admiring the sunlight on the brick, the palms, the trellises of Lerch’s beloved 9th District. Then, after a minute or so, it seems to dawn on Lerch that this morning—the day after his last meeting on the City Council—the district is his in a different way than it was yesterday. It’s been more than three months since the April 13 election, when Steve Neal outpolled him more than 2-to-1.
“This is one of the precincts where I took 90 percent of the vote,” Lerch muses as we cruise along. “And you know why? Because two blocks over is Andy Street. And I changed Andy St. for them.”
The election and Andy Street: the nadir and zenith of Lerch’s city council career.
Back in 2007, I wrote a cover story for the late District Weekly that revealed the transformation that had been accomplished on Andy St. An astonishingly successful neighborhood renewal program took a small dead-end street—so violent that the US Postal Service refused to deliver the mail—and turned it into a truly livable neighborhood with block parties, neighborhood watch meetings and swarms of kids playing tag after school.
The transformation required years of work and coordination among residents, the police, the courts, the City Council, Neighborhood Services—and above all, LaVerne Duncan of the Department of Community Development. Though the neighborhood is still a work in progress, and its maintenance still requires vigilance on the part of all players, there is no question that Andy Street has been an extraordinary success, earning the participants press coverage, awards and numerous invitations to national urban planning conferences.
“Those things don’t work unless you find a LaVerne Duncan—and a Val Lerch,” says Lerch. “Willing to push everything aside and get it done.”
True, although Lerch’s statement avoids mentioning Lerch’s early approach to Andy Street, which was steely—bloodless, even—but perhaps necessarily so.
When initial improvement efforts stalled, when the drug dealers dug in like ticks and refused to leave, when the SWAT team was still making regular appearances around the blocks of apartment, Lerch held a meeting in which he told Duncan and others that Andy Street’s time was running short. The city would have to “fix it or end it.” The neighborhood would be made safe or it would be razed.
Lerch steers his car off St. Francis Place onto Downey Avenue. It gives us an opportunity to glance down Andy Street for just a moment. The trees planted back in 2007 are larger, and they’ve leafed-out beautifully.
“I went to a conference and I told them, ‘I can take all the credit for it because I’m an elected official,’’’ Lerch continues. “But unless you have a LaVerne Duncan it’s not going to work. You gotta have somebody that falls in love with the community.”
I remind Lerch that I had spoken with the Andy Street residents, that they had told me of his involvement—how he attended every block party, every cleaning party, raking alongside them, all day, a lot longer than he needed to be.
Lerch shrugs, seems embarrassed, and says, “Well, you know…”
He changes the subject.
“Now over there…” he begins, and shows me the site of “the old Target,” hulking, empty, and destined to stay empty until 2014; Target still holds the lease and refuses to let it go, not wanting to see any competition come to a neighborhood that it’s already abandoned.
NO, VAL LERCH IS NOT the 9th District’s representative on the Long Beach City Council, anymore. Yes, he was defeated soundly. Yet Lerch talks about last spring’s election as though the results ought to be accompanied by an asterisk. He doesn’t seem to feel that he lost among his constituents so much as to outsiders from organized labor.
“The reason why I was not successful in a write-in campaign is because of the positions I took on two issues against the unions—and they brought armies out against me,” Lerch says as we continue to roll along. “The guy who succeeded me [Steve Neal] lives, breathes and eats union. That’s what he does; he’s a union organizer. They found him and ran him against me because of the two stances I took.”
In the first of those votes, Lerch in 2007 helped defeat a so-called Big Box Ordinance—which would have prevented retail stores like Wal-Mart (100,000 square feet or larger with over 10 percent of their square footage dedicated to groceries) from being built in Long Beach. The idea was these stores hurt small businesses and stores with unionized workers.
In the second of those votes, Lerch helped defeat the Labor Peace Agreement, which would have given people who work in hotels located on city land the right to join unions in exchange for a pledge not to strike. Both issues were accompanied by big-money campaigns by the Long Beach Area Chamber of Commerce, which threatened to challenge their passage with expensive special elections.
Lerch is unapologetically pro-business—pro big business—and he emphasized it several times during our drive.
“Some people have criticized me on redevelopment over the years, because I’ve said, ‘We don’t need to create more mom-and-pop operations here. Our biggest problem is mom-and-pop.’ We need to get something a little larger: Big Saver, Target, things like that. Because now we have a water store here, and a water store there, and you’ve got all these little stores doing the same thing. It’s not a very good environment for the growth of business.”
Lerch pulls his car to the curb, sighs, and turns in his seat to face me.
“Let me say this: I will fight to my death for the unions to have the right to go into any shop and organize. I will fight to my death for laws that will give them the right to organize. But I will fight to my death for the shop to have the right to tell them to go to hell. That’s my own personal position. It should be a level playing field. But when you have unions go after elected officials to ban Wal-Mart in a neighborhood—well, that’s just wrong. I will not create laws that allow unions an advantage over business.”
No, he won’t. Not anymore.
ON LERCH’S FIRST DAY IN OFFICE he told his staff he wanted to begin by answering the phone on all constituent calls. He figured there would be no better way to learn the problems plaguing his district.
The very first call came from a woman who lived in a tiny house sandwiched between two apartment buildings, right where Orizaba meets the 91 freeway.
“She’s a pain in the behind, but she’s really wonderful, a watchful eye for her neighborhood,” Lerch recounted. “She said, ‘Orizaba tunnel! It’s terrible! There’s urination and defecation and dumping, and all of the kids who go to McKinley Elementary have to walk through that tunnel and see all of it, and no one’s doing anything about it!’”
Lerch learned Caltrans had jurisdiction over the tunnel—and that Caltrans wasn’t particularly interested in doing anything to clean it up. (“Caltrans. The worst friend you can have,” grumbles Lerch).
After months of wrangling the city found a solution: they refurbished the tunnel’s outer wall, artists were brought in, decorative tile was laid, and children from McKinley Elementary were drafted to paint the mural. The blighted entryway was designated a city art project, the responsibility for maintenance then passed to the city, and the tunnel
is now clean and safe. It was a crash course in the real work of a hands-on city councilperson: nuisance abatement, partnership-building and byzantine funding arrangements, all coordinated in the margins of bigger, less helpful agencies.
Cupped in the curve of the tunnel is a broad sweep of concrete, and on either side, easily missed, are basketball hoops.
“There’s a basketball court there.” I say. “That’s so great.”
“No, there’s no basketball court there,” Lerch insists.
“Yeah, there are two basketball hoops,” I say. “Right there.”
“I don’t know what you’re talking about,” Lerch continues. “I have no idea.”
I stare at him; it takes me a few moments to catch on.
“Well, the imaginary basketball court was a great idea,” I say.
Lerch is laughing; he has totally cracked himself up.
“When we did this we had to beg and borrow,” Lerch explains. “This was a partnership with about three different organizations. When we were about halfway through with this some people from the neighborhood asked if we could put a basketball court in there. All we could say is, ‘There’s no more money. There’s just no more money.’
A few days after the dedication a city employee—I’ll never give you his name—called me and said, ‘We’ve got basketball courts. I don’t know how it got there, I don’t know where the money came from, but the courts are there.’ And they were. So ever since then, I like to deny that they’re there.”
AFTER TWO HOURS, THE TOUR CONCLUDES where it began—Lerch pulling up to the 9th District field office at Houghton Park—and it has been both touching and impressive in its thoroughness.
Every neighborhood is traced with the fondness of a wistful senior pointing out the small-town landmarks of a long-ago courtship, but instead of soda fountains and front-porch swings I have seen Lerch’s first mural project, his leafiest, greenest median strip, his Big Saver.
The nature of a city council position lends itself to this sort of sentimentality. Unlike most city officials, council members immerse themselves completely in the problems of specific neighborhoods and deal directly with the residents, so personal involvement is a given.
On the other hand, as with any elected position, a council member must leave office with a great deal unfinished. The partnerships, agreements and blueprints for projects large and small are left in trust on the desktop, and the outgoing officeholder can only hope, as he turns out the lights, that his successor will choose to push things to completion.
That’s where Lerch finds himself now.
“How are you feeling?” I ask him.
“Well, you know. I feel good. A little relieved,” he says bravely. “My life is going to be less complicated, less cluttered.”
“Are you going to miss the work?”
“Oh yeah,” he says. “I’ll miss it.”
He pauses.
“I’m going to miss coming up with an idea, walking into someone’s office, and saying, ‘Let’s see if we can get this done.’”
















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‘We did it,” Lerch recounts. She said, ‘What?’ And I said ‘Look up at the altar.’ Up there was an African-American, a Filipino, a Latino and a friend who’s gay—all next to my son. That’s how we raised our children. And that’s North Long Beach.”
I am proud of my kids, one graduated Mills College and is a Math teacher, the other’s a PHD Cal Tech Grad. in Astro-Physics. I’ve no doubt they know a black, Latino and Gay but, it wouldn’t fill me with pride.
It reminds me of a Bob Foster story. I was interviewing Nancy during the first Mayoral run. Bob was being criticized about cutting off power for some Gay guy, I really don’t remember the particulars
. Nancy exclaimed, ” We have gay-friends and even went out to dinner with one recently!” As you can imagine, I had fun with that revelation.
As per Val “The Rotund Ruler of the Ninth District, AKA Not-so-narrow Pharohe.
I am certain he will very soon leave the 9th. The only people who live there can’t afford to leave, or are being subsidized-Section 8.
If anybody wants to bet me a cool $20.00 that he’ll be out by this time next year I’ll take it.
I do love Rachel Powers article. And, if I ever need a positive article written about me, I will most certainly request you!
Joe
PS: I had a very fun time with some wild-animals yesterday.
I’ve been remiss updating my own site having such fun on Dave’s.
“They found him and ran him against me because of the two stances I took.”
its called politics lerch, if the voters dont like your “stances” youre out. whining about the unions just makes you seem like a crybaby, the 9th district voters got rid of you, not the unions.
Dear Howardx,
It wasn’t the Unions who got him out. The Non-Union-folks who live in the district saw he couldn’t do anything about crime and didn’t feel motivated to vote.
Of course, the Union members “did” have motivation to vote for their guy.
I remember when Doug Drummond (Policeman/Councilman) ran against Bob Foster.
I spoke to some Cops, they all admired Doug. But,said they were voting for Bob Foster. I asked, “Why???”
They told me because they were Union-members , Foster would be better for them, i.e., pay increases, etc.
At that time I realized how politics is (mostly) futile voting is for the non-connected.
On a more important subject. If you want to read about my adventures among wild-animals, go here: http://www.joeedwardmack.com
what cops did you speak to? i tend not to believe anecdotal tales like that one, especially when they serve the purpose of getting in a little bash at the unions.
Mr. Mack. on one hand you say you live in NLB and your children went to good colleges and on the other you say only folks on Section 8 live there. So are you Section 8 and your children had the opportunity to realize the American dream? Or are you like the cranky few that do have appreciation for the area, because you live there, you do own your own home (because they are not cheap – a home the middle class can afford) and raised your children there, but prefer to complain about it now, rather than figure out what you can do personally or in conjunction with others that care to make every effort to improve the area? Why are you still there? And how are you different than anyone else that lives there?
A lot of people live there because it is a nice little community with a lot of really nice, down to earth, people. It has some great homes – thousands of little Spanish style homes (Belmont Shore North) that could use a few more of us to care for. Many of us have fairly good discretionary income. We have to shop elsewhere though, but we go on vacations and cruises, we buy new cars, we send our children to good colleges. Many of us are professionals including those that work at universities, colleges, schools, the Port, the City of Long Beach and other surrounding Cities, the state, hospitals, doctors offices and many entrepreneurs, utilities, and other employers throughout the region.
Yes the demographics have changed over time, but this will happen throughout Long Beach, So. Cal and the nation, eventually. It is what you make it. Val is staying here. I know lots of us that have committed to staying and working to improve the area.
Val is not Jerry Schultz….who basically trashed the area and people he represented after he left office and moved to the east side to be with more folks like himself.
Laurie
Everyone please take Mr. Mack up on his cool $20.00 bet and make him go BK. I will be in North Long Beach for many years to come. One year from today you will owe me $20.00 Mr. Mack.
howardx – Until I took a stand against big box and peace labor agreements some thirty days before the filing deadline for the 2006 election I did not have an chellenger. 30 minutes before the deadline Mr. Neal filed. The day after I made my stand the unions sent out emails and newsletters saying “I was the weak link on the council and needed to be taken out”. Call it whatever you want but if I had supported both of those issues I believe I would still be in office. I am not bitter you are right it is politics and I lost. I have worked hard to make sure Mr. Neal’s transition is as smooth as possible. I will be on the pick lines for labor but I will not tilt the playing field.
Rachel, What a beautiful story. You did NLB justice. Thank you.
thanks for your response val, now that youre here perhaps you could explain why you ignored the will of the voters and mounted a write in campaign in the first place? clearly the LB voters want terms limited yet you ran anyways, do you think maybe this had something to do with your loss?
howard: do you know it was the will of the voters of the 9th district behind term limits? maybe the 9th didn’t want them? also: the voters who set in place our beloved term limits did set up an exception for the write-in on the next go-around, so you can’t claim that taking up the voters’ will on that exception was ignoring the will of the voters.
Dear All,
Wow! Your responses are fun, thank you!
First, I do not still live in N. Long Beach
I moved there in 1987, my wife’s idea.
It was mostly white on Poppy Street, though, she just LOVES diversity.
Well, some black people moved in the neighborhood. Within a few months a bloody attack among themselves (knives) occurred in their home across the street from us. Then, on the corner Liquor Store, (Poppy and Cherry) some black-girl shot the Asian clerk.
All of a sudden, our block lost most of it’s white people. The fourth of July was a nightmare! The black-family on the other corner shot off fireworks. No, I don’t mean safe and sane (bad enough) I mean rockets, i.e. one’s you’d see at Vet Stadium! I called the cops, they said they only respond if someone is actually hurt. They had their hands full.
Now, the Black person who lived next door to me was nice and he invited me to see a Mike Tyson fight on his pay per view.
I am simply saying, “Something happened!” It may have been a wacky coincidence and nothing to do with the racial-shift…When Jerry Shultz (Councilman/Cop) told me about the violence on “his” block,
(and he has a gun!) well, the writing was on the wall.
Laurie, I would have LOVED to have lived next door to you. You sound like a nice person whom behaves herself. As per Jerry trashing the area. The area got trashed when Section 8 moved in the worst of the worse , some people (like me) just notice and mention it!
Laurie’s statement:
“Yes the demographics have changed over time, but this will happen throughout Long Beach, So. Cal and the nation, eventually. It is what you make it. Val is staying here. I know lots of us that have committed to staying and working to improve the area.”.
Yes, Laurie. The City and the Nation are changing…i.e. going to hell in a hand basket. To think you and other (good people) can stem the tide of violence and primitive behavior as per the new demographics.
Well, Oscar Wilde spoke of, “The stupidity of Optimism.”
Joe Mack
PS: Anyone whom can afford to leave and doesn’t is acting irresponsibly.
I felt (personally) VERY guilty I could not afford to move, as my kids had to attend Poly. (the city shipped all the brilliant kids there to dilute the primitives’ test scores) and It was dumb-luck they weren’t raped or worse.
You drive by Jordan and Poly. Do the “children” you see give you confidence for the future?
” to dilute the primitives’ test scores”
you sir are a racist douchebag. i encourage everyone here to shun mr. mack. i certainly will be.
Dear Howardx,
I expected much more from you.Well, no…not really.
Self-delusion is all the craze, nowadays.
The only thing wrong with being up to date with the latest craze (unwilling to criticize protected minorities) is you are likely to become old-fashioned rather quickly.
Always following, never being your own Man may very well find one following your leader right over the cliff into the abyss!
JOSEPH STALIN SAID: ” The main purpose of propaganda was not to change people’s minds, but to create societal “norms”.
Then anyone who thinks or says anything outside these “norms” will appear to be “fringe” and “crazy” to the masses who will then ridicule them back inside societal boundaries, or turn them in to the “authorities” for re-education.”
It looks like Howardx is up to date following societal “norms.”
How about, you! I REALLY want to know.
Joe
Joe–
At the risk of feeding a troll, let me say this: I’ll go head to head with you any day on the subject of who or what is wrecking long beach. But if “Black people scare me!” is all you have to offer, well, I’d suggest you stick to posting love letters to ayn rand and ann coulter on your website.
Let’s set up a debate: we’ll get a couple podiums, have our own Beer and Politics night, you can call people “primitives,” and I guarantee you that the first person to throw a chair at your head will be white. And the second. And the third. And the fourth.
You’ll be forced to completely rework your theories on race and violence. It’ll be great!
yawn.
as if racism puts you on the cutting edge of anything other than ignorance. clearly youre miles ahead of me in that category.
Stalin has really done a job on you!
Don’t you see?
You’ve convinced yourself that certain realities are forbidden to you.
Remember God telling Adam and Eve that they couldn’t eat from the Tree of Good and Evil?
I’m not saying you won’t be in the IN-CROWD. But, don’t you think that once in a blue-moon seeing realities can be refreshing?
Joe
do me a favor and go galt asap.
Awesome. Jaw-droppingly awesome.
Mr. Howardx. I did not ignore the will of the people. As a matter of fact I followed their will. Twice the Citzens of this great City confirmed term limits but each time they also authorized the write-in procedure. In fact the overwelming majority expressed they will to have a write-in procedure when they elected Beverly O’Niell to her third term through the write in process. The will of the people was to give someone they wanted to stay in the job an avenue to stay. Beverly was one of those, I was not.
of course you see it that way, i still maintain that by mounting a write in campaign after you were termed out you were ignoring the will of the voters when they enacted term limits. thanks again for responding though, i appreciate it.
How do you explain Beverly? Let’s agree to disagree on this one.
agreed!
Enjoy every paragraph of this article.
Val was always a likeable guy. Overboard sometimes, but he has a good heart. No raciscism in Val. Black racisism and racism in general of Long Beach, has always been a problem. I wonder about this, “Celebration of Diversity” as the bullets fly and the attacks are treated differently depending on race. Val also was involved in some really bad Council votes.
Wishing the best for Val, but better for his replacement.
Rachel Powers
July 23, 2010
Joe–
At the risk of feeding a troll, let me say this: I AM CERTAIN I’M BETTER LOOKING THAN YOU! SIMPLE-MINDED PEOPLE “ALWAYS” ATTACK THEIR OPPONENTS LOOKS, ETHNICITY, ETC.
I’ll go head to head with you any day on the subject of who or what is wrecking long beach. But if “Black people scare me!” is all you have to offer, well, I’d suggest you stick to posting love letters to ayn rand and ann coulter on your website. I LOVE AYN RAND BUT NOT COULTER. YOU REALLY MUST READ MY SITE! AS PER BLACK-PEOPLE, MANY “DO” SCARE ME. BLACK-PEOPLE SCARE “BLACK-PEOPLE!” DO YOU RECALL JESSE JACKSON’S STATEMENT? OH, DEBATING YOU IS LIKE SHOOTING FISH IN A BARRELL…
Let’s set up a debate: we’ll get a couple podiums, have our own Beer and Politics night, you can call people “primitives,” and I guarantee you that the first person to throw a chair at your head will be white. And the second. And the third. And the fourth. OH, I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT!!! WHITE PEOPLE LOVE TO BE CONSIDERED WITH IT, UP TO DATE AND MODERN. PLEASE RE-READ STALIN’S STATEMENT. YOU ARE A GOOD WRITER AND (UP UNTIL NOW) THOUGHT YOU WERE AN ABSTRACT THINKER AS WELL.
You’ll be forced to completely rework your theories on race and violence. It’ll be great! DO YOU REALLY THINK DODGING CHAIRS AIMED AT MY HEAD WILL FORCE ME TO RETHINK MY THEORIES ABOUT RACE AND VIOLENCE???
I AM GRATEFUL YOU WROTE ME AS I HAD FUN RESPONDING. BUT, YOUR TWISTED CONFORMITY MAKES ME SAD AND PESSIMISTIC.
HAVE FUN HIGH-FIVEING YOUR SOUL-MATES.
JOE
JOSEPH STALIN SAID: ” The main purpose of propaganda was not to change people’s minds, but to create societal “norms”.
Then anyone who thinks or says anything outside these “norms” will appear to be “fringe” and “crazy” to the masses who will then ridicule them back inside societal boundaries, or turn them in to the “authorities” for re-education.”
Hi Rachel: I don’t know which I liked better….this article or the perspective in your comment. Thank you for both.
is someone who puts hermann goering quotes on their website and talks favorably about father coughlin really someone we need to take seriously? i dont think so. not too mention his creepy obsession with geena davis and whatever it is he keeps in his sock drawer.
mr. mack is simply exhibiting the last gasps of a dying dinosaur. when his type are all finally gone we will be better off as a nation.
Dear Supporters,
I’m grateful for your “anonymous” supportive notes to me.
But, it would be nice if I few of you would stick your heads out here.
I am going to Red-China in a few months. I am having fun writing back and forth to some Journalists.
Their English language web site: CRIENGLISH.COM
is uncensored! Me and anyone else can say any god-damn thing we like.
No one,( like Rachel) is threatening violence upon yours truly.
I have condemned Mao and there is no protest!
Of course, I understand that Communism is not what it used to be. And, I am grateful for that! They seem willing to allow themselves to think thoughts that have previously been forbidden.
Most Americans used to be that way and I pray we become that kind of country again.
What I liked about living in the 60′s, besides playing my guitar in
coffee-houses, picking up girls and being young, was, being in an atmosphere of EXTREME free-speech. I still love it!
Hey, Dave…Not wanting to be a wet-blanket, but, don’t you think you should give Rachel Powers a warning about her threatening me with violence for voicing an opinion?
I am no pacifist. But, I’d only respond to personal threats and/or attacks against innocents-man and beast. Especially beasts!
Hey, Howardx.
I with to be taken seriously when I’m being serious. Not when I’m being silly, i.e. Geena Davis, etc.
As per good-quotes, ANYBODY can come up with a good line. Well, (sadly), maybe not you…
As per myself being a dinosaur. I consider myself the New Avant Garde!
Have fun with that line.
BTW, I thought I was going to be shunned by all people of good, (I mean) conformative-character.
On a lighter-note. Isn’t it fun that Dave allows us to rant and rave here!
I imagine LBREPORT.COM is suffering for it.
Though, I still think that Dave will soon begin censoring his comment option. Just a guess…
Joe, don’t be silly. I didn’t threaten you with violence, I simply made a prediction. No different than the predictions you make about what might happen to people who move to north long beach.
I don’t throw chairs. I do marvel at people who say offensive, inflammatory things and then act surprised when those around them become, you know, offended and inflamed.
If you are dismayed by the political correctness and group-think that is poisoning this site, well, what can I say? Perhaps you should take your never-ending plugs for your website to another forum. It’s pretty simple, Joe. The theories of BF Skinner at work in their purest form: If you don’t like the responses, then move along. China may be just the place.
Rachel Powers
July 24, 2010
Joe, don’t be silly. I didn’t threaten you with violence, YOU DID THREATEN ME WITH VIOLENCE. I simply made a prediction. No different than the predictions you make about what might happen to people who move to north long beach. MY PREDICTIONS ARE BASED IN FACT I.E. NORTH LONG BEACH CRIME STATISTICS. THEY DON’T FIT YOUR LEITMOTIF SO YOU WANT TO THROW A CHAIR AT ME!
I don’t throw chairs. I do marvel at people who say offensive, inflammatory things and then act surprised when those around them become, you know, offended and inflamed. OH, YOU MARVEL AT PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO ARE VICTIM OF OFFENSIVE, INFLAMMATORY STATEMENTS, LIKE YOUR PREDICTING MY BEING ATTACKED BY FLYING-CHAIRS? THAT SURPRISES YOU???
If you are dismayed by the political correctness and group-think that is poisoning this site, well, what can I say? Perhaps you should take your never-ending plugs for your website to another forum. I AM DISMAYED THAT YOU AND (SADLY) MANY OTHERS ARE SO EASILY CONTROLLED BY STALIN.
AS PER PLUGGING MY SITES. IF I’M DRIVING MORE READERS TO DAVE’S SITE, I EXPECT PLUGGING IN RETURN. HE COULD CERTAINLY BAN ME IF HE WISHES.
It’s pretty simple, Joe. The theories of BF Skinner at work in their purest form: YOU ARE CORRECT, BF SKINNER AND STALIN BOTH TALKED ABOUT CONTROL AND YOU ARE MOST CERTAINLY CONTROLLEDC.
If you don’t like the responses, then move along. I LOVE RESPONSES. BUT, THREATS OF VIOLENCE, THOUGH SENSATIONAL ARE NOT CONDUCIVE TO INTELLECTUAL STIMULATION. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO INTERACT, NOT BE FORCED TO CALL FOR A POLICEMAN!
China may be just the place. AS I SAID, I WANT TO PLUG THEIR WEB-SITE: CRICHINA.COM
IT IS OPEN, FREE AND INTELLECTUALLY STIMULATING!
HERE, IN THE US…IT’S GETTING SO A REAL INTELLECTUAL HASN’T GOT A CHINAMAN’S CHANCE!
PS: YOU CRITICIZED MY LOOKS. ( THAT IS ALL THE CRAZE AMONG PROGRESSIVE-CRITICS) STICK YOUR PIC UP AND LET’S LET PEOPLE VOTE.
Joe Mack,
I checked my web traffic stats and absolutely zero traffic has come to GreaterLongBeach.com from your website. What I suspect is that very close to that number of people visit your website, and so you are basically trying to turn GreaterLongBeach.com into your substitute personal blog. I don’t care for that. The next time you link to any site to which you have a personal connection your comment will be removed.
Dave Wielenga
Dave,
If I can’t link I get nothing from commenting on your site. You might as well start deleting and banning me. I will not help your site be interesting if I get nothing from it.
Joe
So, I was right—for you, this isn’t about furthering a constructive dialogue, it’s simply about performing provocative stunts to draw attention to yourself. You’re not going to comment anymore? Deal! What a baby.
Dave,
I absolutely do not think I am provocative nor controversial.
I truly do think those who “don’t” agree with me are odd, or (more probably) afraid to face the truth… Not that I don’t change my mind; I do all the time!
I do like feedback because it’s fun to respond!
But, why should I help you if you don’t help me?
I think you’re being a baby, a selfish baby!
I do think your site will be much less popular if it becomes a poor-man’s Long Beach Report.
Maybe it’s best to do what your heart, I MEAN, your advertisers tell you to do.
On the way out. Take down that poor horse picture!
Joe
Speaking of beating on a dead horse…
I never use such language, Kelson, more than one way to skin a cat, etc.
GLB: Um, are you telling me that you won’t leave the premises?
Joe Mack: Not at all! I’m leaving, just as soon as I finish the plug.
GLB: OK, but we are asking you to leave, please.
Joe Mack: OK, I’m going to have a quick plug, and then I will be on my way.
GLB: So you are you saying that you won’t leave?
Joe Mack: No, no. Not at all. I’m leaving. I’m going to have a plug, and then I will be leaving.
And on and on.
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wow…laptop out for repair for a few days and look what I missed! Some vile racist spew…
I moved to Long Beach for a reason…I LIKE black people. I also like gay people, Mexicans,Cambodians and even crazy people. If your name wasn’t on this list just pencil it in because I meant to include you.
Rachel,
As a 45+ year resident of NLB, I feel it necessary to call your attention to a very serious error in the article. The Long Beach City Bouandary is 72nd. Street, not 70th. Residents in the area from 70th. to 72nd. are likely to be offended by their “exclusion” from this great city.
As for the rest of you…chill out. NLB has some of the greatest neighborhoods in town; good places for young children to grow up. Not everyone north of Del Amo is living in poverty; most are not hoodlums and gang-bangers.
What wuld happen if someone moved to NLB? They would find some of the finest neighbors in the whole of our city; neighbors who really care about living in peace and harmony with one another.
Open your minds. Accept everyone at face value. Life is too short not to.
The worst thing Joe Mack did was devert the comments away from the topic at hand. NLB. Thank you Mr. Mack. Let’s get back to the article please.
Getting back to NLB. Some friends and I would like to venture up that way for dinner. Anyone care to make some recommendations? Thanks in advance.
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